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(April 2009) In addition to getting
roofing estimates, we had two insulation companies come
out since that was what we were expecting to do this Spring.
The previous owner had done a very odd attic insulation installation.
There is fiberglass batt above the ceiling then drywall panels
installed on top of the ceiling joists and blown-in fiberglass
on top of that. The problem with it is that it makes the area
between the two layers of drywall a prime environment for mold
due to condensation.
- The first company is owned by a friend that I know because
of all my involvement in the sustainable building movement
in Kansas City. He came out and started off by touring the
house and making me take notes of what all we needed to be
doing in addition to fixing the insulation. What a great guy!
He covered the stuff that is in the Energy Audit/Rating and
also pointed out things like changing the direction of the
louvers in the registers and adjusting the amount of air that
goes into the different areas of the house through the ductwork.
He was surprised about our attic insulation situation.
- The second one is local and was referred to us by our propane
supplier. It turns out he is also involved in the sustainable
building movement and that was very exciting to find out! He
also was surprised about the attic insulation and agrees that
it is not a good thing.
Both insulation companies recommended dense-pack cellulose (which
we also agree with). We've got one estimate so far and are waiting
on the other one... also needing to decide if we can take out
the drywall or if there is another way to eliminate the possibility
of mold.
So, as soon as we know how much the roof is going to cost us
(it has to come first, as much as I'd like to tackle that insulation)
we'll find out if the insulation can also be fixed this Spring/Summer
or if we'll have to live with it for a while. |
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| Replace Fiberglass
Attic Insulation (May 2010) |
Here
is the important stuff: The
R-value of the new insulation is R45... which is
about 13 inches of cellulose. They also installed
blocking material and air chutes along the perimeter
of the attic to contain the insulation and allow
for proper ventilation.
Before the new insulation (and after
the new roof), in the moderate temps of Spring, it
was possible without using air conditioning (AC)
to maintain a 15-degree difference between the outside
air temperature and the inside air temperature; e.g.
at 75°F outside, it
would be 60°F.
With
the new insulation, we are able to get closer to a 20-degree
difference without AC! As an experiment, I set
the thermostat to 75°F and watched
as the temp in the house rose throughout the
day. Reliably, with an outdoor temperature reaching
the upper 80's/lower 90's and with the house starting
out at 65°F
in the morning, we haven't reached 70°F until
about 2:30 pm and
the AC hasn't even come on!
Of course, with big, black, long-haired
Newfoundland Dogs, 75°F is just too warm, so the
thermostat is set to 70°F during the day. But still,
that means we're not even using the AC until mid-afternoon.
We then let it work in the cooler early morning hours
(and cheaper electricity rates) to get down to 65°F.
Here are links to information about
cellulose insulation:
Below are pictures and more information
about the installation itself. |
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We
had planned to fix the attic insulation problem last year
before we found out how much the leaking roof would cost
us to repair/replace. We interviewed two companies and
I had already decided who I wanted to use for this project.
So, when we discovered we could fix the insulation this
spring, I contacted Eric Butler of Comfort
Solutions and he was kind enough to honor his quote
from last year.
Working in an attic in hot weather is really
pretty dangerous because traditional roofing material
absorbs heat from the sun. But our new roof is an Energy
Star qualifying 'cool roof' (see
the Roof Gallery page for more info on that) and so
we suggested that Eric could schedule us later so he could
take care of other customers (who have traditional roofs)
during the cooler spring months.
It was late in May when they came out to
do our job and it was also the first week that the temps
were in the upper 80s to low 90s (°F).
Because of our cool roof, the temp in the attic was about
the same as outside instead of being much, much higher).
Even still, Eric and Clint worked only in
the mornings (smart guys) and it took them only 3 days
to get the attic insulation corrected. |
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Here is a picture
of how the former owner did the insulation in the attic.
What you are looking at is the ceiling drywall and hatch
access frame... above that you can see fiberglass bat
insulation (looks like 6 or 8 inches to me), then a layer
of drywall that sits on top of the ceiling joists and then
another 4 inches of blown-in fiberglass insulation.
Now, in theory this may sound like a good idea, but it
IS NOT A GOOD IDEA because this set up is a perfect breeding
ground for mold between the two layers of drywall.
Was there mold, you ask? Yes, but luckily for us, not
very much and we didn't have to remove any of the ceiling
drywall.
Eric's quote included removal of all the old fiberglass
insulation AND all of the second layer of drywall. Of course,
that also meant having an access to the attic that they
could fit it all through and I really didn't want them
taking it through the house (especially with the access
being in my closet).
The gable vent on the south side over the master bathroom
was a likely candidate especially since we had been thinking
it needed to be a bigger vent for the amount of attic space
it vented anyway.
So, first things first, Eric removed the 14x22 vent (which
turned out to be installed behind the siding... another
pain in our side) and cut an opening big enough for the
new 24x36 vent. I had to purchase that size vent on-line
because none of the home improvment stores carry such big
vents.
FYI (shameless plug): I am very happy with www.BestMaterials.com!
Their prices are good, their customer service is excellent
and the product arrived when promised in great condition
and is very good quality. |
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Here
is the set-up...
On the left is Eric's trailer with the machinery and hose
and cellulose, etc. (it's a really big trailer - you only
see the front 1/4 of it in the picture).
In the middle is the 20 cubic yard dumpster from our trash
company (close up below in case you want their phone number)
with the scrim cover weighted down so that the loose fiberglass
stays in the dumpster when it comes out of the hose. They
usually use water to wet-down the fiberglass, but we only
had 20 psi at the field hydrant and so this was their other
option.
On the right you can see the opening with the hose coming
out and part of the pile of drywall removed at that point.
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It was next
to impossible to get pictures of they guys working in the
attic... so Eric is working on getting me some images of
what a standard installation looks like to add to this
page.
Here is a close up
of the pile of material being removed from the 1st floor
attic area. Note the fiberglass paper at the bottom of the
picture with the mold. Scary to think that could have been
alot worse. |
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And, no, the drywall
was not reusable, nor is there any program in the area to
recycle it. If it weren't for all the nails, we had considered
putting it on our driveway to supplement the gravel, but
alas, that too was not an option. So into the dumpster the
drywall went. |
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Eric had hoped that
the bat insulation would be in good enough shape for him
to reuse and that was our understanding from the beginning.
Which is the reason we only got a 20 cubic yard dumpster.
Unfortunately, it was not in good enough shape to reuse
and so we both agreed it should also go in the dumpster. |
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Having so much
bat fiberglass go in to the dumpster meant there wasn't enough
room for everything after all... so Eric filled 3 big bags
(you can see 2 in the picture at left) with the 2nd floor
loose fiberglass. He was able to put one in the dumpster
and took the other two back to his shop and his own dumpster. |
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Eric discovered that the
vent to the 2nd floor attic was also installed behind the
siding. So, we ordered another vent (24x30, same size that
was already there) and he cut out the old one.
Thank goodness the roofers beefed up the structure of
the ceiling over the porch when they fixed the roof. It
made it much easier to get the fiberglass and drywall,
etc. out of that attic. |
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Here is a rather interesting
thing they found in the 2nd story attic. It's a bumble-bee
nest in the loose fiberglass. Eric said its all very sticky.
And you can just see a bumble-bee near the center of the
picture between a patch of pink fiberglass (to the right)
and a kind of yellow/orange tube opening (to the left)...
its a very dark spot with a bit of a yellow line on top of
the spot.
The roofer had told us the screen on that vent has bad...
they had a heck of a time with wasps and bees.
Knowing this, Gary put up a bunch of sticky paper scrolls
to help reduce the numbers before the insulation was to
be brought out. |
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Since we had to order another
vent, Eric devised a temporary solution to keep out the 'wildlife'
and the rain until he can come back out and install the new
vent -- once it arrives.
You can't really see it, but there is metal screen material
behind the foam board. |
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Here is the 24x36 gable vent
installed and ready to be painted. |
I
cannot tell you what a relief it is to have have the fiberglass
and extra layer of drywall gone from the attic and replaced
with blown-in cellulose. I had kept the house very dry
all winter to minimize condensation in the attic. Now I
can seal up all the paint shrinkage (caused by that dryness)
and let the humidifier do its job this winter. |
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Ah yes, forgot to
mention that they found the pink foam board shown at left
in the attic... it wasn't sealed in or anything - just
laying in the ceiling area over what used to be the porch
and is now the entry hall. The insulating properties are
not effective if its not sealed.
We are going to be using
it in the loft area of the garage... one of our do-it-yourself
over time projects.
And, Eric, being the great guy he is, used a couple pieces
to insulate the hatch cover in the master bedroom closet
(sealed and everything). |
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| Add
Closed-cell Foam to Crawlspace Below Master Bedroom/Bath and
Basement Rim Joist (September 2011) |
The Energy Audit we had done before we bought
PlayHaven East included a recommendation to insulate the crawlspace
under the Master Bedroom/Bath, the rim joist in the basement,
and the floor of the north hall (the old porch that is now
enclosed). We had hoped to do that when we had the attic
insulation fixed, but money is (unfortunately) a contributing
factor when doing renovations and we simply couldn't afford
it then.
When we found out the HVAC repairs would be so expensive
that it only made sense to replace the entire system now
(rather than repair now and replace in a year or two); it
also only made sense to get the insulation all up to par
to reduce our electric bills (the new system is geothermal
which uses electricity).
We chose a closed-cell foam installation because it both
seals and insulates and is ideal for moist (or I should say,
possibly moist) areas. I found several sites on the internet
recommending fiberglass insulation for crawlspaces. If you
choose to use fiberglass, be sure you are not creating a
habitat for mold. Fiberglass may insulate, but it does not
seal and if there is a paper backing, it is food for organisms
(like mold).
Here are some links to information about crawlspaces.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again... we have been
SO happy with Eric
Butler at Comfort Solutions, that I simply want to work
with them whenever possible. So, it's probably not a surprise
that we chose Eric to do this job. |
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The wall at left is the basement wall (east),
so it did not need to
be sprayed. |

South wall (at left) and west wall.
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West wall. |

Close up of west wall where the concrete floor
of the garage
ended and the foundation
was extended to the north. |

Northwest corner where the stairs from
the driveway went up
to the porch. |
This is all BioBased 1701s® Spray Polyurethane
Insulation (1.7 lb. closed cell). Eric wore a mask, gloves,
etc. because the two components separately are bad to breath
and get on your skin. When they mix together (at the sprayer)
and cure, they are inert. This product is GREENGUARD Certified
for Children and Schools, Class 1 Fire Rated.
The photos were taken after the foam had cured. Thanks to
the hubby for being willing to go back down into that crawlspace
for me.
Below are the basement rim joist photos. |

We moved stuff away from the walls and covered shelves, etc.
before they sprayed. |

The photo at left shows the closed cell foam
along the rim
joist and the one above shows
it is also between the
floor joists. |

Here is a close-up... I love the color!
I forgot to mention that in the basement,
the guys also
removed and disposed of the old fiberglass bat that 'insulated'
the rim joist.
(There wasn't any to take out of the crawlspace.)
And, like the conscientious people they are,
they cleaned up the small amount of mess that was left. |
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| In addition to insulating, the foam
also stops air infiltration (like using expansion foam in cracks).
One less place for air and bugs to find their way into the
basement! |
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| Add Cellulose
Under the Floor in the Front (North) Hall (September 2011) |
After the guys (of Comfort
Solutions) did the closed cell foam applications, they
came back a couple days later and put cellulose (high borax
content) in the gap between the current floor and the old concrete
porch floor of the north hallway. We are sure that this area
is where we had mice coming in last year and that is why we
decided to go with the high borax cellulose... even if they
start to burrow in, they won't live long enough to make it
through. Sad for them, but necessary for us. |

This required
a bit of prep work on our part. There is a laminate wood
floor in that area and the hubby removed the baseboard
and enough of the flooring so that Eric could drill a
hole in the subflooring into each cavity (between floor
joists which run north and south, the width of the area).
I put painters plastic over the doorway to the living
room (taped all the way around ,removed the furniture,
wall hangings, curtains, etc. and stuffed towels at the
bottom of each french door with tape in the gap where
they meet to keep the cellulose dust out of the rest
of the house.
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Drilling the holes. |

Notice how he stuffed a towel into
the next couple of holes
in case there
were any openings between the cavities. |

This is what the cellulose looks like.
Each cavity is densely packed.
It was interesting to
see watch Eric determine
how it was filling up... there
was a difference in
sound, the material slowed in the
tube until
he pulled it out enough to allow more room
to fill up.
I was fascinated. |

Another one of my 'artsy' images, just thought it was too
much fun not to include it. |
| After the cellulose was all
done, the hubby replaced the flooring (even repaired a
section where the previous owner had left a register that
wasn't connected anywhere) and the baseboard. It is one
of those hidden projects, you can't tell by looking it
was ever disturbed. Hopefully, we'll be able to tell by
the money we save! |
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